Joe Biden birth chart

VP Debate – Joe Biden

You’ve got to be some kind of ogre not to love Joe Biden. I mean he has to be the most lovable Vice President we have ever had. He is also now considered quite the sex symbol among women of a certain age.

Part of Joe’s appeal is because he is well – Joe, just goofy, sweet Joe. Of course, the downside is that he sometimes falls over his tongue when he is being “cute” and comes out with some hum-dingers. That might happen at the Vice Presidential debate as he does have the retrograded Neptune sitting in his third house, the house of communication.

However, that is about the only tricky item he has in his chart on debate night. He will be very loyal to President and play the role of healer after the President’s less than stellar performance last week. The Vice President has transiting Juno and Mars in conjunction in his first house and they are conjuncting his progressed Neptune. You are going to see much of the same passion you saw in his Convention speech. Juno and Neptune are slow movers so they have been there awhile. Mars adds some fight to his words. Mars is pretty dominant in both men’s charts that day so I do expect a fair amount of fireworks.

I expect Biden to take on the persona of the passionate diplomat. He has transiting Venus and Moon in the 9th house, the house of international affairs. They are both in Virgo so he should have his facts in order and be able to respond to anything Ryan may try to toss out. Also his progressed Moon is in the 8th house, the house of power. As long as he keeps that passion tamed so he doesn’t blurt out anything goofy we should be OK.

I was teasing about his sex symbol status but he will appeal to women a lot during this debate. He has Jupiter, Ceres, Vesta and the Black Moon Lilith all in the 7th house, the house of personal interactions. He should use their energy to remind people about his and the tickets strong support of women’s freedom and safety. Word to the Obama Team – let Joe address the women. Let him contrast the GOP’s war on women with the Democrat’s support of women… PLEASE. The time is perfect for him to do that.

That Mercury Saturn conjunction in the 11th house is also a good thing. He can try to emulate Bill Clinton’s speech at the Convention where he will lay out point by point why his team is better. With the Virgo influence in the 9th and this it should – I say should – hold him in check so that he can make his detailed points.

This is going to be a verbal battle – nothing polite about this evening!

VP Debate – Paul Ryan

My liberal heart hates to say this but Paul Ryan does not have a bad chart for the upcoming Vice Presidential debate IF he doesn’t get too snarky and hateful. He has Moon and Venus in Virgo in the 10th house – the house of career and social status so be prepared for wonkiness. With Mercury conjunct Pluto in Scorpio in the 1st house he is going to have a lot of energy behind his words and he will be trying to ferret out secrets and information from Joe Biden.

His intuition is going to be high and he will make some good gut decisions. He is going to try as hard as he can to appear smart, unique and inspiriting.

He has both transiting and progressed Mars in fire signs, one in the first and one in the 6th house, the houses of personality projection and work respectively, so there will be fire works. He will be powerful, aggressive and go into details, details, details.

The risk he runs is of being too angry, too aggressive – too off putting. Although his transiting Ascendant is in Taurus in the 7th a very good place for connecting with people. But if Biden can get under his skin (without making a gaffe) he just might show Ryan to be too smug, too much the kid you want to smack around.

That he will recreate a new persona – with retro Uranus in the 4th and be a bit of a — shall we say obfuscator of the truth…. will be evident because of his Saturn and Sun tucked away in the 12th. Like Romney at the first debate the real Ryan won’t show up.

Be careful Democrats, unless he gets too pushy, too snotty Ryan will be a force to be dealt with.

VP Debate – Sara on Neptune

At the time of the only Vice Presidential debate, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:00 PM Central Time in St. Louis, Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin’s natal Mars will be squaring the transiting Moon. A disharmony between the Moon, which controls emotions, and Mars, named after the ancient god of war – leads to irritability, aggression and argumentativeness. So she might be more inclined to go after Joe Biden during the debate – to play up her “hockey mom toughness.”

Sarah’s Mars lies in the conjunction with the her Sun in the 7th house natally (no wonder she is known for her aggressive style – Mars energy fueling her Sun in the house of relationships is a dynamic combination.) At debate time this conjunction will be conjunct transiting Neptune. The positive side of this will be an enhanced ability on her part to tap into her gut instinct- and say somethings truly inspirational.

The shadow of Neptune is unreality and obfuscation – so it is very possible for those who like the star power of Palin – she will hit a home run saying absolutely nothing. Mercury will be in her third house – the house of communications. Democrats expecting her to make a total idiot of herself will be disappointed.

As for her opponent Joe Biden, his Mars is active as well on that day. Natal Mars will be trine transiting Jupiter – giving him energy and enthusiasm but this is going to be squelched a bit by a Mercury square Neptune. Joe I feel is going to be afraid to go for the jugular, having been told by his handlers not to look too mean or obnoxious.

Win will go to Joe – but Palin won’t be as foolish as she has been in recent interviews. Like the Presidential debate on Friday it will be an “eye of the beholder” situation as to who wins or looses.